The Jesus Joint

I dont know whats up with her any more. She does a lot of bad things and ugh I'm never around her anymore she doesnt even believe in God.

Well if you're not hanging around her anymore, then there isn't a whole lot you can do, except to pray.

Already am and good thing she wasent at my friends party.


I didn't mean that in a rude way either.

She and her friend..... Ugh!!!!!!!!!!

well, don't worry about them. you can't change people, and if she's going to have a bf you're not going to be able to talk her out of it

I know I want her the way she was in 3rd Grade. She was so much better.

This is my answer, to this topic, and probably to quite a few similar topics.

If you find someone that you truly have feelings for, it doesn't matter who they are, what they do, or what people say to you, noone will change your mind. The harsh reality is you have to learn from your own mistakes.
In this situation of course, your point of view is from the outside. By pressing your friend to break up with the guy you're more likely to fall out with her than to actually get her to do what you think is right. The best thing to do is just leave her to it and let her learn. She really will not listen to you. But by all means be there to cheer her up when she inevitably gets hurt.

I have to say that Scripture goes against this philosophy. In fact, it says only fools follow this way of thinking and that it is wise to follow the wisdom of those who have gone before you.

I'm simply speaking from experience and quite frankly the truth. People in this situation WILL NOT listen to you. You cannot change their views by telling them they're wrong.
It probably is the fools way, but it's the only way it's going to happen. I happen to have been in this situation a number of times...

I myself am in a relationship with someone I love with all my heart, my sister, without having met him, decided she hates him and that I can't be with him, and so tried to break us up. It could never work. She will never convince me that I don't love him. Especially as she's never met him and therefore has no right to judge.

I also know a girl who is dating a drug addict, her dad knows about him and doesn't like it at all. He's tried to break them up and tell her she can't see him. But will she listen? No. She loves him, so she's not going to give him up just because her dad says she should. She will probably get hurt eventually because he will inevitably go back to drugs, but until then, she is happy with him, and she wants to be with him, so noone is going to convince her otherwise.

So yup. Sorry. Simple truth. It just happens to be human nature.

You are not describing human nature. You are describing a lack of trust and foolish thinking. Scripture speaks on this for a reason. It is because it happens to be the way many people operate. However, it is not the only way people operate. This is why Scripture speaks of children who listen to their parents versus children who do not. This is why is speaks of people who follow the wisdom of others versus people who do not. I've never killed anybody but I trust it is wrong based on the morals and ways I have been raised. In the same way, I know there are people before me who have experienced things and they are trying to save me from it. If I trust that person, I tend to listen to them and their advice. Not always but I try to. It is not uncommon to trust someone and follow their advice through faith that they know what they are talking about. Then again, I guess that is the whole point you are speaking of in the other thread; faith. It is something you said you have a hard time dealing with. People who lack faith tend to go out on their own and touch the stove even when they have been told countless times that it is hot. People with faith tend to trust those who say it is hot. Sometimes it really does boil down to faith.

Well in the situation specific to this topic it is quite clear that the person in question is not of faith, and she is not listening to her friend (Gabby) so in my opinion my advice stands, regardless.
I have to say though I agree with your argument to some extent although I do not think it is applicable in this sort of circumstance. Sure on other issues it is wise to listen to your friends and family and to put faith in what they tell you. But I honestly believe love is another issue completely. True love is something that you cannot control, and so as I said, you will inevitably ignore the advice given to you by others.

^ Well, this thread is almost a year and a half old - it may not even be relevant anymore. Just sayin'.

Ok well yea its cool now..